Hamilton vs Verstappen: Who Was To Blame At Monza? | Jolyon Palmer's F1 TV Analysis

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    Lewis Hamilton and Max Verstappen's latest clash was the big talking point in Monza. Jolyon Palmer breaks it all down, from the build-up through to their race-ending collision at Turn 2.

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Buckfast Stradler
Buckfast Stradler

Max is as bad as Senna for deliberately driving into other cars

Soat oldin
Neritan Sevdari
Neritan Sevdari

Ban that freakish kerb FIA, will ya!

9 soat oldin
David Schumacher
David Schumacher

TURN 2 basically so tight with these days how wide f1 car is... verstappen definitely deliberately forcing his car into hamiltons way... verstappen should go into sausage kerb... he can he choose not to... he choose to crash... thats it really...

10 soat oldin
BI Ling
BI Ling

O so your so special that we must leave you a space why bother racing maybe if we will give you a start you will not try to run everyone off the road. we have seen the likes of you in the past and you never win but do complain when you do not get your own way. not a nice boy keep in check Hamilton like behind you.

11 soat oldin
JustThaor
JustThaor

I like this, you should work for them. Why did Verstappen get such a penalty? specially compared to Lewis pushing Max off at silverstone? Just wondering, not trying to start hate

22 soat oldin
komi
komi

Because on long not at all tight turns at fast speeds you usually see overtakes easily, there it was considered a race incident because let's face it vest was aggressive and lewis as matching his style. They gave him a penalty at something that's not deemed his fault. However here you have vest clearly being aggresive since the start. He was trying to overtake lewis in a tight slow 2 turns , when he lost the space he didnt break or slow down, he decided to deliberatly run into lewis. Max is a juvinile driver who's aggressive and it shows. I watched many races this season and the reason he's now winning is because he lost patience. In summary silverstone is a racing incident and Lewis was peanlized anyway, this was Max's fault and he was peanalized fairly.

8 soat oldin
Harmon Salmon
Harmon Salmon

Max was going too fast into the chicane and that's the problem.

Kun oldin
Per Kristoffersson
Per Kristoffersson

It was a bonehead move by Max. And then the arrogance... apparently it's everyone elses job making sure he doesn't crash...

Kun oldin
Eskander X
Eskander X

14:00 After you mister...

Kun oldin
Isak Ibrahim
Isak Ibrahim

Top tier analysis right here and I definitely agree that max is to blame. Lewis was ahead and he should’ve just used the escape route and gone again but that isn’t who max is. He simply doesn’t care

Kun oldin
Eskander X
Eskander X

2:02 Well... He could, but then he would've crushed into Max. Just like the RedBully did some laps later...

Kun oldin
Gabriel Borg
Gabriel Borg

clown

Kun oldin
Kelly Burman
Kelly Burman

@10:51 the only reason Max has more space on the outside of the turn is because he is further behind. His tire is behinds Lewis'. If they were wheel to wheel there would be less space for him to "guess he was going to make the turn". Also Max was almost fully behind Hamilton in the braking zone. I think this is where the FIA decided Max did not have a legit stake in racing room when he lunged from so far behind

Kun oldin
Bird Blue
Bird Blue

Maybe he is not one of the best driver but he is one of the best analysts for me. Keep the great work jolyon!!

Kun oldin
Jean Robert
Jean Robert

Pretty much side by side??? There was no gap there, nothing but Mad Max did it again....and too many people are cheering for it :(

Kun oldin
Tony Waldron
Tony Waldron

Check out Noris V Hamilton (1st lap) in the same corner and Verstappen V Hamilton (24th lap)

Kun oldin
Marco Alaimo
Marco Alaimo

100 % responsibility of Max, as we can see, Lewis is on front and Max had a possibility to easily cut the curve on the left side. Max wanted this crash, tactical strategy. 3 places penalty in the grid, it is just a joke. Politic decision...

Kun oldin
Marco Alaimo
Marco Alaimo

@Richard Mclachlan Well, Lewis was in front before the corner, that it is clear, he had the priority. Max had the easy possibility to take the shortcut on the left side to avoid any contact (I would have done it). But in this case, he knew maybe that a min of 10 points will be lost in the championship. Tactical fault. :). FIA has understand 'almost' the same. 3 places penalty is just to not angry everybody but not educatif

14 soat oldin
Richard Mclachlan
Richard Mclachlan

Except... Lewis pushed him off the track before the corner. Didn't leave a cars width whilst going slower. Max would have been beside were it not for this illegal check. That's why predominantly Max's fault but not all.

16 soat oldin
Foday Saccoh
Foday Saccoh

Max is absolutely a mad man,

Kun oldin
Richard Mclachlan
Richard Mclachlan

1. Lewis blocked Max when he came out of the pits. No way, that was a car space. As in, a space, a car going 300klm an hr, could go through. 2. This pushed Max off track, slowed him down, so Lewis arrives first into the corner. 3. Max treated the corner as if he had a right to space. He would have been alongside Lewis, if Lewis had not illegally blocked him. 4. Lewis acted as if he owned the corner. Crash ensued. Both are at fault. Hamilton outright cheated. Max could have avoided the collision and asked for a review of the lack of a car space given down the straight.

Kun oldin
Hannes Du Toit
Hannes Du Toit

In my opinion this is a racing incident. Hard racing by both drivers. The fans love it. Unfortunately these marginal calls always tends to favor Hamilton in the end.

Kun oldin
Jr Rossie
Jr Rossie

He have to stop pushing his way through all the time he's a driving out of Crusher Japanese Grand Prix Sebastian Vettel Max verstappen always Max verstappen crashing into people

Kun oldin
Andrew Flower
Andrew Flower

So looking at the analysis (before looking at prevents events), it sounds like Palmer could see why Max thought there was room to move - that Hamilton had left him room initially - but that Hamilton later closed the door mid corner. Max then had nowhere to go and was force onto the kerb and into the air.

Kun oldin
Andrew Flower
Andrew Flower

But, great analysis! Very fair I think!

Kun oldin
Andrew Flower
Andrew Flower

The gap that LEC left GIO was clearly more than what HAM left VER...

Kun oldin
Andrew Flower
Andrew Flower

Ridiculous that this was a penalty

Kun oldin
Pc Grova
Pc Grova

Jolyon, your comment at 4.28 is so totally false, I can only assume you're one of those biased commentators who like to mother mad max. Its not a tough call, leave your bias at home. For crying out loud, its the same situation as Lewis running out of room on lap one because Max didn't give him any. Max as a driver, is like Vettel .. overrated spoilt brat. His behaviour after the prang was atrocious and he should be penalised to start at the rear of the next race grid. The Giovanazi example is not realistic or parallel because LeClerc got pushed wide cause of luck after a collision with the Alpha and so the accident didn't continue on the exit, but could easily have.

Kun oldin
Conrad Sredz
Conrad Sredz

kinda just shows you how bad verstappen's racing intellect is

Kun oldin
Ben
Ben

Car is a width on the green and sausage is bang in front with his front wheel inbetween Hams front and rear. What am I missing?

Kun oldin
KalebHarkins16
KalebHarkins16

I don't like the fact that max said ''that's what you get when you dont' leave me enough space'' because lewis left him a lot more space than max left lewis on lap 1

Kun oldin
Mathijs Arend
Mathijs Arend

It's not as if Hamilton took the blame at Silverstone. Every single driver on the grid would react like this. Even Kvyat and Magnussen reacted like this after crashing others out

Kun oldin
wenksification
wenksification

To conclude, max would be to blame. Im a fan of max but he needs to pick his battles and mature more. Dont expect all drivers to give you space. Im not surprised he hasnt won a drivers championship even tho he's been on F1 for 6-7 yrs already.

2 kun oldin
wenksification
wenksification

@Mathijs Arend this season? Equal cars? Cmon thats BS. Red bull has a better car this season compared to merc. Thats the only reason MV is winning. Plus in RB, there is bias between the drivers. Max has been getting all the upgrades while perez is not. Even during at pit stops, max has the better time compared to perez. I conclude you are a crashstappen orange army fangay. Because no matter what you say, lewis is the GOAT of F1 with 7 world titles to his name. PLUS HE WON IT DURING HIS 2ND YEAR so i dont want to hear BS from you saying he only wins in the "fastest car".

2 soat oldin
Mathijs Arend
Mathijs Arend

@wenksification apart from Monza, Max isn't driving recklessly for a long time. But forget about that, how tf can you claim Lewis would have won all these seasons in worse cars. If that was true, wouldn't he be winning way more races this season? Max has performed better despite the Merc still being roughly equal to the RB (Bottas is doing way better than Perez, despite Perez having performed well for almost ten years in f1)

7 soat oldin
wenksification
wenksification

@Mathijs Arend lewis would have won it if he was in a red bull. cmon bro.... driver vs driver without the car, you know lewis is better than max. MV has a lot of learning to do and given the wet conditions, lewis is the far superior driver. mv is reckless like what happened in monza. expecting drivers to give him space? he needs to pick his fights and do some maturing. once lewis retires, he can be world champion.

13 soat oldin
Mathijs Arend
Mathijs Arend

@wenksification he is a great driver, but you still need the right car to win and it will always be a combination. Do you really think he'd have won the championship with the 2017 Red Bull (or any other year/any oher car for that matter). Plus, you are implying Max has never won due to reckless driving, but if he'd had zero DNF's in every season so far, he would still not have nearly enough points. You can't deny Mercedes has been dominant for a long time and realistically Bottas would have won championships if Lewis wasn't there. Look at Rosberg, he also won for having a merc

13 soat oldin
wenksification
wenksification

@Mathijs Arend so are you implying that its the car that made lewis win? or are you simply just a typical hater as well? if it was the car that wins, how come bottas never won it? dont be delusional. LH is the goat of F1.

Kun oldin
Damian Lombard
Damian Lombard

Max is an arrogant toss

2 kun oldin
David Berry
David Berry

Sorry for me Verstappen was to blame.

2 kun oldin
Gerhard Toxopeus
Gerhard Toxopeus

Lewis left a space at the entry of the chicane and then expected Max to magically disappear, so obviously it was Max's fault

2 kun oldin
danny ribeiro
danny ribeiro

theres a racing line, there was no space, not for long atleast. max always tries to force situations. lewis has been nice for too long. i blame max, as usual

2 kun oldin
jackobite60
jackobite60

"thats what happens when you dont give me space" Its says everything, Im coming through, you lift off.

2 kun oldin
Henk Sijbring
Henk Sijbring

amazing; how biassed the commetaru has been. afte the carce, it gets even more 'coloured'. i liked the commentary of Martin Brundlw in the live show . . . resy my case

2 kun oldin
OriginalFake
OriginalFake

So giovinazzi is better at driving than max.

2 kun oldin
Richard W
Richard W

"Max has gone brave...but in hindsight he should have bolted across the corner!" Therefore, Max's poor judgement, can't be inexperience and/or arrogance. The difference between Max and Lewis is, that this is Max's 7th F1 season and Lewis was World Champion in his 2nd season.

2 kun oldin
danny ribeiro
danny ribeiro

well said. also lewis missed winning his first year by one point, with not the best car like max has this year

Kun oldin
Mirwais Zekrya
Mirwais Zekrya

The best analysis of this incident around anywhere. Really took the time to look at hiw other drivers handled the corner and compare. That’s why this F1 channel has top content.

2 kun oldin
Joseph Patar
Joseph Patar

Thank you Mr. Palmer! Brilliant analysis and explanation as always....

2 kun oldin
Anthony Aldous
Anthony Aldous

I think max was just angry with his pit stop, and knew I Hamilton got passed he would not have gotten back. So he just went fir it thinking we both out or I am through, just like he did the first time around. Right to get a penalty overall I think, but more important is those sausage kerbs need to be binned, there must be a better way.

2 kun oldin
halofreak1990
halofreak1990

Imagine: no sausage kerb

2 kun oldin
Enlightened Patriot
Enlightened Patriot

@5.28 & @5.45 "They are pretty well side by side" No they are not! To my eyes, Lewis is considerably further ahead before impact. It is not "A really tough one to call" as said @6.05, it is clearly Max at fault.

2 kun oldin
John Smith
John Smith

Seems to me HAM made a critical misjudgement: he expected VER to *not* drive onto the sausage curb which would obviously launch his car into an uncontrolled trajectory, like how GIO turned into LEC to indicate he needed space, where LEC then opens the steering to avoid tangling. He may have thought VER has a cooler head these days with a championship lead but I guess hothead VER shows up now and then in red bulldozer mode as with MAS.

2 kun oldin
navnig
navnig

Lap 1, Lewis knew the game was up and backed out, drove away to race another day. 5:01 Is when Max should have backed out. He was behind and driving into a gap that was always going to close....He needs to learn when to get his elbows in. The potential is there for him to be one of the true greats of F1 but the aggression has to be measured, rather than being the hyper aggressive Max we see today.

2 kun oldin
ShutterGuts
ShutterGuts

The problem are these crazy sauces curbs. Without it would have carried have one.

2 kun oldin
Antonio Ragazze
Antonio Ragazze

Das ist ein völlig harmloser Unfall. Der Hamilton soll sich mal nicht so anstellen, der Jammerlappen. Als er in Silverstone den Verstappen abschoss war der unfall ein ganz anderes Kaliber.

2 kun oldin
Mark Schalker
Mark Schalker

You should compare the steering from Hamilton and Leclerc. You will see that Hamilton doesn't give the space to verstappen. Hamilton pushes and forces the incident.

2 kun oldin
sanjinred
sanjinred

Why didn’t you comment Lewis’s missed apex in turn 1? Also, the guideline that when a car is substantially pass the center of another car and is able to make the next turn the turn is yours. Still, FIA gives Max all the blame, even an unporportional penalty. It should have been a racing incident. Lewis did just get 10 seconds by sending Max to the hospital.

2 kun oldin
Walter W. Krijthe
Walter W. Krijthe

Watching the crash in Monza while listening to the debrief from Mercedes about the 1st lap crash on Silverstone ( @ ).

2 kun oldin
Merlin's Reach
Merlin's Reach

Liked the analysis and as others says, nice to get away from the fan bases arguing.Though I do think both drivers aren't always taking the "live to fight another day" approach for different but understandable reasons and it's not helping them.. Anybody who watches Indycar, whatever you think of it. Scott Dixon is almost always in with a shout at season end and on 6 now because he has always where possible raced with this head. Hamilton used to do this more I think until this year. I totally get what's at stake and the power of pride and ego and will to win though.

2 kun oldin
Jon Jon
Jon Jon

I dislike Hamilton as much as the the next person but that was Verstappen's fault, he had no room to overtake on the TRACK - if he takes both himself and Hamilton out, he keeps his championship lead just like Schumacher did with Damon Hill.

2 kun oldin
Jagadesh S
Jagadesh S

Verstappen should have done better!

2 kun oldin
chielz
chielz

Hamilton is coming out of the pit, Verstappen comes full speed of the straight. Can’t really blame him. If there is one to blame imo it’s Hamilton not leaving any room but I’d say it’s a racing incident that doesn’t deserve a penalty. They’re racing, it’s not a parade.

2 kun oldin
Bartłomiej Orlicki
Bartłomiej Orlicki

Very interesting analysis, but for us- the viewers it will be great if u attached the current speed of the car during the manevour. Than we can see the difference between drivers.

2 kun oldin
benjamin Duncan
benjamin Duncan

Greedy max

2 kun oldin
Xander Nicaise
Xander Nicaise

How about we call this a TRACK DESIGN-EXACERBATED (or even induced) racing incident? What is it with F1-track designers and their love of putting in badly designed/deliberately destructive kerbs. If the goal is to deny drivers the use of this bit of tarmac, just put in grass or something equally slippery. If it had not been for the Halo, Hamilton might have been seriously hurt when Verstappen's car came down on his. A lateral impact is dangerous too, but would have been comparatively low-speed in this instance iif Verstappen's car had not been launched by the sausage kerb.

2 kun oldin
Dion Oliveira
Dion Oliveira

It's so very clear as they are going through the right corner that Verstappen's line was way off and that there was no way he was going to make the left corner.

2 kun oldin
Sailing Legend
Sailing Legend

I must start by saying I am by no means a Hamilton fan, but to me it was clear and simple being vestaphen’s fault, he put the car in a place where there was only going to be contact and a strong likelihood that he was going to damage Hamilton’s car. The comment of look what you get if you don’t leave the space sums it up. To me he knew he was in the wrong, he knew that if he let Hamilton go he would lose points to him so he decided to hit him

2 kun oldin
BonesT101
BonesT101

FIA chose their WDC. When you put your opponent in to the wall at 290kph is 10s penalty. Racing incident when Lewis and Max has equal responsibility FIA call IT precedens and put 3 place penalty on Max or the netto race. Hmmm FIA Just took their side. It is nice to see when Lewis is making one mistake after another an he need help from Bottas or FIA to be on top.

2 kun oldin
Local Guy -
Local Guy -

Halo did what it was meant to do.

2 kun oldin
Marco Monterroza
Marco Monterroza

I think that if there is an incident to compare with is the Perez Stroll incident at the sprint race, because the positions of the cars are more similar than any other incident showed here. Besides, in the first lap all stewards are softer in every race

2 kun oldin
MrRetroentertainment
MrRetroentertainment

Cry BABY Lewis

2 kun oldin
Sri Saranya Mohan Kumar
Sri Saranya Mohan Kumar

Doing autopsy after the accident is quite tricky. But you have tried your best to pacify fans of both.... As per Verstappen track history says otherwise..

2 kun oldin
Oscar Villadolid
Oscar Villadolid

Great work.

2 kun oldin
BLT
BLT

That corner only fits one car. Max was behind. So there's no such thing as squeezing. Max just expects other drivers to always yield to him. Well it worked last time because people were fighting for championship and he's fighting for a podium. Now both fighting for championship, so welcome to the reality.

2 kun oldin
Squarehead666
Squarehead666

Verstappen.

2 kun oldin
Joe Niranjan
Joe Niranjan

Spoilt child,fueled by hatred, F 1 circus goes on

2 kun oldin
Paul Cole
Paul Cole

Essentially Lewis gave him room then took it away mid chicane...

2 kun oldin
gravl123
gravl123

This is a perfect opportunity for Max to take his engine penalty.

2 kun oldin
Marty Kinczel
Marty Kinczel

Verstappen's under a lot of pressure and most likely this caused his dangerous errors.

3 kun oldin
danny ribeiro
danny ribeiro

theyre all under pressure. max is too impulsive and wreckless

Kun oldin
Connected Europe
Connected Europe

Great review of the massively spoken about situation. I believe this is one of the clearest exaltation I've seen. Tnx

3 kun oldin
Tonermaloner
Tonermaloner

How fast are they going in tangle zone?

3 kun oldin
Fritz Fondona
Fritz Fondona

HAMILTON, period.

3 kun oldin
chungdha
chungdha

Great explaination but suggest do an onboard of Lewis and other riders in similar position of him what they did, as it does look like Lewis turned into the the left to close the corner harder than compared to ther others who took the track wide enough to leave space for both to exit the corner.

3 kun oldin
halofreak1990
halofreak1990

@DJ KranK Then why doesn't he force Max wide in turn 1, like Max does to him in turn 4? I'd much rather be racing Max then Lewis, tbh, since with Max, you have a pretty predictable driver. Lewis? Not so much. One moment he leaves you a gap to dive into, and the next, he shuts the door on you.

2 kun oldin
chungdha
chungdha

@DJ KranK Honestly those bumps on the run offs are like going to damage the car then like normal run off, don't even know why these run off now got speed bumps.

3 kun oldin
DJ KranK
DJ KranK

Lewis had the right to the line, that's how that works. When you have the right, you can decide to give way, or take your line. You're fighting for your championship streak, are you honestly going to tell me you'd just go, "well, nothing I can do, there you go max" even after taking the run off yourself on the first lap.

3 kun oldin
shooter7a
shooter7a

Max needed to be a wheel further forward. If he had been, he could have pushed Lewis out like the AlfaRomeo did....

3 kun oldin
I G
I G

maFIA

3 kun oldin
Ed Mu
Ed Mu

correct ,,, just say it max did it and dident care.

3 kun oldin
Daniel Löfgren
Daniel Löfgren

Seeing this makes me wonder why people say Assetto Corsa has terrible AI- Seems to me it's actually pretty spot on. All we need now is a renamed slider in the game "AI aggression 0 >LH/MV"

3 kun oldin
MatinKingston
MatinKingston

But ain't the real reason that sent max flying is they touch their back wheels?

3 kun oldin
Parveen Dang
Parveen Dang

Just check the radio message of Max after the crash "This is what YOU get.....". So is Max talking about giving such treatment to anybody is he not going to get space, or was this intentional? So basically he is saint and he needs everyone to give him free space as if he was lapping someone

3 kun oldin
Ge Gwen
Ge Gwen

IMO Max should have bailed & Lewis should have let it run wider to force the issue. Now what does that tell you ?

3 kun oldin
Chris Villanueva
Chris Villanueva

Leclerc gave him space... That's the difference.

3 kun oldin
Mark S
Mark S

I don't think it's as much the curb than Hamilton's rear left tire that propped up Max's rear onto Hamilton's car.

3 kun oldin
Picklewiickle.
Picklewiickle.

not tricky max should of bailed. lack of experience and obnoxious attitude.

3 kun oldin
ThePadi94
ThePadi94

That's the problem when neither Hamilton nor Verstappen give room to live for the other...

3 kun oldin
Terrence LP
Terrence LP

Max is at fault, I've noticed since a few years back he refuses to let anybody shut the door on him he'll just crash into them rather than get closed out it's horrible

3 kun oldin
tgymartin
tgymartin

But where's Palmer‽‽

3 kun oldin
Andile Matroshe
Andile Matroshe

These are all a waste of time because it's all Lewis and the FIA's .... I mean who doesn't know Max must be given space regardless and and u can't penalize him because he hasn't done anything wrong ever ...

3 kun oldin
Grunchy
Grunchy

When this happened I was laughing so hard, it was poetic justice. These guys do nothing but race, they live for racing, so I imagine they must do this kind of analysis for every single race and pick up incremental lessons to become even bigger road hogs. Well, if you didn't want your neck broken you would have gotten an actual job, is all I can say.

3 kun oldin
Ricardo Cortes
Ricardo Cortes

Very interesting analysis and comparison. I agree that it should have been considered a racing incident, given the championship status and previous similar incidents.

3 kun oldin
Mike z
Mike z

the difference between Max and Gio is leclerc moved slightly away, just in time for gio to avoid the sausage kerb hamilton keeps pushing max out till the very end its laughable when you hear clowns like Hill - declaring "there's no way max would make this corner", if straight on we got 2 examples of this corner being made exactly this way... or claiming max has done that on purpose - at no point, Max is turning towards Lewis more than he has to. Lewis on the other hand clearly is maneuvering his car towards Max.

3 kun oldin
Michael Gayle
Michael Gayle

Wow! As usual Jolyon is spot on with a excellent analysis! Thanks.

3 kun oldin
Gregory Ashton
Gregory Ashton

I used to be a big supporter of Lewis, now I just see him as a filthy snake. He can’t accept that there’s a better driver than him. Lewis said he left a car’s width and then Max drove into him. You can clearly see he didn’t leave a car’s length. He’s about 30cm from the white line, tops!

3 kun oldin
Golbs
Golbs

aggresive max took out another car. i wonder how many it is now in his tally book.

3 kun oldin
Douwe Egbert
Douwe Egbert

so much better analysis as anything else coming from any british related socialmedia ... Palmer is spot on , dont need to be biased like Hill etc etc who claimed Max did it on purpose ,,hilarious ... dont ever take Hill serious any more

3 kun oldin
Kyng Motif
Kyng Motif

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Jack Pot
Jack Pot

It’s like Lewis is too focused on Max

3 kun oldin
danny ribeiro
danny ribeiro

lol who else would he focus on? max is dangerous, i dont blame him

Kun oldin
Jack Pot
Jack Pot

Lewis is giving max a chance ? Lol

3 kun oldin
4-UP
4-UP

That's Why Its Called F1™🏎💨

3 kun oldin
lpi avelino
lpi avelino

this guy’s simply bias, against sir lewis hamilton. verstappen didn’t squeeze sir lewis hamilton but sir lewis hamilton squeezed sir lewis hamilton.

3 kun oldin
Patricia O'Connor
Patricia O'Connor

on one of those deals, the blame goes to who is harmed the most by it. Hamilton's fault. match Verstappen.

3 kun oldin
pectorialis
pectorialis

I agree: racing incident - I tend to lay more blame at Lewis's feet though: his defense of his position was unclear - he didn't close the door Makes it hard to read his intentions and anticipate his actions.

3 kun oldin
Radu F
Radu F

So Louis is GARBAGE HUMAN BEEN

3 kun oldin

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